Posts by jonathan dough

No it doesn't. I'm referring to the OT and the NT, not the New and Old Covenants contained and/or referenced in them. Yes, the New Covenant is far superior to the Old Covenant which has proven ineffective. How do Jews view Jeremiah 31:31-34 which talks about the New? What does it mean to them?

Judaism completely rejects the dualistic notion that evil was created by Satan or some other deity.

Are we talking about evil, Satan or that Satan and evil are the same things?

So this quote from Wikipedia is wrong?

According to Judaism, therefore, God created both good and evil for his good purpose: "See, I [God] have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil" (Deuteronomy 30:15, KJV); and "I [God] form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things" (Isaiah 45:7, KJV). ... Unlike Judaism, Christianity teaches that Satan was never created as a bad angel of temptation from the beginning but as a good angel with free will.

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How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?

by jonathan dough in

how much was the ransom?

gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.

gods gift required more.

jonathan dough

"Supplant" in the sense that it was nailed to the cross by Christ's sacrifice. Not by force, but out of love. The Jews blew it, just like they seemed to almost always do so, constantly backsliding and denying the Almighty in deed.

Much of the OT is a litany of condemnation by God of the Jews who were vile in God's eyes century after century. Hence the destruction by Babylon and at other times. He never chose the Jews as his people for anything grand that they did but due to His promise to Abraham. He was stuck with a stiff-necked people. Out with the old, in with the new.

And no, I'm not being anti-semitic. They hold a special place in my heart as a whole.

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How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?

by jonathan dough in

how much was the ransom?

gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.

gods gift required more.

jonathan dough

Everything in the universe was created by G-d and only by G-d.

Same with Christianity, though I don' think the Almighty created evil.

Judaism completely rejects the dualistic notion that evil was created by Satan or some other deity.

So God created all the evil in the world? And he is the one who destroyed 6 million Jews?

http://144000.110mb.com/144000/i-6.html#VII

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How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?

by jonathan dough in

how much was the ransom?

gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.

gods gift required more.

jonathan dough

Stick with your own book and do not try to interpret mine--especially to prove yours to be true or superior.

First, the OT is both of our books, and you can't lay exclusive claim to it. And secondly, Christians don't believe one is superior to the other as they are all one writing. It is all tied together completey intertwined and inseparable. It is just the New Covenant supplanted the Old Covenant.

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My understanding of the "70 Years" and the "Babylonian Exile" (without chronology)

by Doug Mason in

in my view, there needs to be a very clear decoupling of the destruction wrought on jerusalem/judah from the 70 years of servitude/babylonian domination.. .

the destruction was the outcome of the people failing over many centuries to obey god, and it was a conditional prophecy, the outcome of which depended on the people's response.. .

however, the servitude to babylon, experienced by several countries, was an unconditional prophecy.

jonathan dough

yes.

http://144000.110mb.com/607/i-2.html#E

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How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?

by jonathan dough in

how much was the ransom?

gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.

gods gift required more.

jonathan dough

By saying that Satan is in charge of this world, Christians are giving too much power to Satan.

Are you saying that Satan played no role in the holocaust?

Satan .... are not factors in our life's story.

You have got to be kidding. Jews actually believe this? That is utterly insane.

http://144000.110mb.com/607/index.html

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Did you Exit the Witnesses Gradually - Or Exit Suddenly - Your Reasons ?

by flipper in

jw
friends

i thought it would be good to discuss it to understand what caused some of us to exit suddenly, or some to exit gradually .. myself , i had been in 44 years , had mentally had doubts for years before exiting - but injustices by the elders and my doubts about the " generation " doctrine led me to exit suddenly one night before a meeting.

the elders pissed me off , i went to my seat, picked my books up and walked out - never going back.

so what is your story and reasons ?

jonathan dough

If I had known that my kids, who went out with me and their dad (who was/is my ex), would go back to truth with their dad and at 18 shun me and cut me off, I might have tried a real good fade.

But for how long?

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Hi, Im newly out

by carpediem in

jw
friends

nice to be here and look forward to meeting you all.

i made a very sudden exit from 'the lie' approx 5 months ago.

was going to try and slowly fade but couldnt do it.

jonathan dough

Sorry, Dough, but even when helping our families out of the org we don't attack them with the words, "You are WRONG!" That is what they do to us and we hate it. It is not respectful. It is patronizing. It is a demonstration of poor social grace.

Saying that you're wrong is disrespectful? Oh come on, what am I supposed to say, you're right? If I think you're wrong, you're wrong. And if you deny God and the Bible, lady, you are dead wrong. You might look up the definition of "patronizing" because it doesn't fit the context of your point, and as far as poor social grace, then I stand in good company. Jws are wrong, too. I'm not singling you out. Maybe if you did tell the ones in the organization that they are wrong instead of tip-toeing around the issues you might have better success in freeing them. Of course they will hate it. Who wants to admit they were gullible enough to join a cult? That is the nature of the beast.

If you are an atheist or hate God, you are wrong. And if you deny Scripture, you are wrong; as a matter of fact, you are anti-Christ. No room for equivocation.

http://144000.110mb.com/144000/index.html

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How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?

by jonathan dough in

how much was the ransom?

gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.

gods gift required more.

jonathan dough

Ah yes, the old "only God could die for us", yep ... that's the answer to everything right? the unholy Trinity!

She happens to be right. What's your point? In English this time? Are you switching topics to the Trinity? There's already a thread on that.

http://144000.110mb.com/trinity/index-5.html#20